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- From: jching@aloha.com (Jimen Ching)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.c
- Subject: Re: Are you really my colleagues?!?
- Date: 18 Apr 1996 06:23:14 GMT
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- Kazimir Kylheku (c2a192@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca) wrote:
- >This newsgroup is for the discussion of the C language, not for the discussion
- >of how to do your laundry or feed your dog with the C language.
-
- Then the question begged to be asked is "Which newsgroup should I go
- to if I want to discuss how to use the C language to do my laundry and
- feed my dog?" ;-)
-
- >The lexical
- >properties, syntax and semantics of the C language are of utmost interest.
-
- If this is all comp.lang.c discusses, then it's one boring newsgroup.
- The C language is a tool. It is not an end, it is a means to an end.
- People use C to perform a task. Talking about C's syntax and semantics
- is uninteresting to people who have real work to do.
-
- >As someone in this newsgroup once cleverly put: that one can describe
- >the theory of general relativity in English doesn't mean one ought to discuss
- >relativity in a newsgroup about the English language.
-
- Depends, what does the English language newsgroup suppose to cover about
- English? I.e. does it also cover old English (Shakespearian). What if
- I was looking for a Shakespearian translation of general relativity? What
- would you do, direct me to a physics newsgroup? When was the last time
- you met a physicist who knows Shakespeare?
-
- >It's hardly surprising to find C lovers in a newsgroup dedicated solely to the C
- >language.
-
- Just curious, do you also love your fork or coffee cup (if you drink
- coffee)? How about your shoes or cap? All these things are tools. They
- are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Many people are new
- to C and would like to learn how to use it wisely in their field of
- interest. Directing them to a newsgroup dedicated to that interest
- is not likely a good solution, since readers of that group might not
- know C. And even if one or two know C, they are most likely not experts
- since they do not read comp.lang.c. So the better solution would be
- for readers of comp.lang.c who have the same interest to answer that
- question.
-
- Here are some advice to you people who believe all questions should
- be C questions.
-
- 1. Always append "in C" to the question being asked. For instance,
- "What is the best algorithm to do matrix inversion?"
- This should be translated to:
- "What is the best algorithm to do matrix inversion in C?"
-
- You can flame the article author or direct them to a general algorithms
- newsgroup. But do you know for a fact that they have a solution? And
- if you do, see #2...
-
- 2. If you know for a fact that another newsgroup has the answers the
- author is looking for, be polite and direct them to that group. For
- instance: "You can find the answer to your question in the algorithms
- FAQ. You can get it from comp.algorithms. You'll probably get better
- answers from that group than this one. Good luck!"
-
- Don't say: "You stupid piece of shit. Don't you know this is a
- newsgroup about the C language. Don't you have anything better to
- do than poop all over this fine newsgroup? Now get on your knees
- and say 'Hail the C language!' 50 times."
-
- Yes, you can flame the author. But would it really help? Sure you
- get to release some anger, but it would just start a flame war. And
- you probably dispise that more than inappropriate questions. See #3.
-
- 3. If you do not know the answer or where to direct the author of the
- article, simply hit 'n' or 'space bar' to go to the next article.
- It would reduce bandwidth and save us all a headache.
-
- This is not directed to just Kazimir, but to all those who don't
- know how to interact with other people. Remember when you were
- young. Didn't your teachers ever put you in a group for a
- discussion? And there's always someone that comes by and asks a
- question that has nothing to do with the discussion? You didn't
- blow up and jumpped all over that person did you? You just directed
- the person elsewhere and continued your discussion. That's politeness.
- I for one would like to see more of that in this newsgroup. I use
- C a lot and would like to discuss it in a group where it is enjoyable
- to have open discussions. And not have hot headded teenagers flaming
- anyone that's not familiar. Let's all try and keep our minds open.
-
- --jc
- --
- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) jching@aloha.com wh6brr@uhm.ampr.org
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